We had a similar problem a few years ago...with the bright key chain
white LED.....followed the white dot on the ceiling back to a group
I actually don't think this is really much of a problem....we were not
circulating around the room enough
we should be circulating around the room anyways.....and it takes ALL
group members to commit to cheating...
I prefer to be up front that you can do this....but if you get
caught....I will get all of you in front of the academic integrity
board....typically group norms comes to the rescue
Jim
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Another issue with the gold-flake scratch-off IF AT: My TA overheard a
couple of students talking about how a bright blue light behind the form
revealed the location of the asterisk... I went back through the
scratched-off forms (from that particular event) at that point and,
indeed, found several with "precision scratching" (as you know, the
asterisk is not in the same location for every question, but these
students had found a way to find it!... not realizing that they also
were revealing they had found a way to see the asterisk).
Have not had any problems with the gray coated scratch-offs....
Gary D. Lynne, Professor
Department of Agricultural Economics and
School of Natural Resources
103B Filley
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0922
Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne
Phone: 1-402-472-8281
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Fritz & others,
I'd like to share a little information on the IF-AT forms and the
problems people have been experiencing with them.
I have been using them for several years and they always worked just
fine - until just a few months ago. Then, not often but a few times,
people were reporting that the gold layer on their form wouldn't scratch
off.
Before I could get around to checking with Mike Epstein about it, he
called me (I use a lot of them, so we know each other) and said he had
had some production problems and was changing the physical production:
replacing the gold layer with some other material (looks like silver and
gold to my eyes).
He then sent me some sets of the new forms, and I have not had any
problems since then.
RECOMMENDATION: If you have any of the old forms with the layer just in
gold, you might want to contact Mike, tell him how many of the old ones
you have, and he will replace them, perhaps without charge.
My Best, Dee
At 12:15 PM 4/11/2008, Fritz Laux wrote:
I've had many problems with the IF-AT forms. What
happens is that goldish film covering the answers simply won't scratch
off (it seems especially stubborn over where the stars are). Students
end up with holes in the forms, etc.
Perhaps some of you know a secret on this? Is it perhaps
too much humidity? Suggestions? I have been too timid to complain to
Epstein but plan, one day, to be more courageous.
Fritz Laux
Economics
Northeastern State U
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We're starting to use clickers instead of scantrons as
well.
As far as I can tell, the only way NOT to kill trees and
NOT use scantrons is to have students bring their own laptop to class
and complete the quiz, perhaps in a course management system. This way
they see the questions AND answer choices. But as long as you don't
allow them to see the CORRECT answers for the online individual quiz,
they can use one member's laptop to see the questions and then complete
the IF-AT answer sheet "team quiz."
There was a thread a few months ago on this list about
how to even use an online quiz for the team quiz, but I have to say
there really is no substitute for the energy of people working with the
scratch off cards hoping to hit jackpot on their first answer choice.
Great stuff.
The only reason I'd like to see the online team quiz
option is so an online-only class might be able to experience what a
Face-to-Face or hybrid/blended class does with the team scratch off
cards. While the video conferencing tools are getting better, the only
problem for an online class is security: how do you guarantee that
online students aren't skipping to the "open book" (appeals stage) that
is supposed to come AFTER the team quiz.
Later,
John
On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Sandy Cook wrote:
We have been using audience response system that permits
the students to take the individual tests at their own pace. It require
killing trees for the exams, but the beauty is that we don't have to
have them go question by question - they can go back and forth as
desired, AND, we have real-time data on how they perform on each item
and quick scoring. I wouldn't want to do it any other way.
Sandy
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Duke/NUS Graduate School of Medicine
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Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you have
been using? This
is one of the challenges with using this approach, on
finding out, during
class which questions/concepts are creating problems for
the students.
Being able to scan a score sheet, immediately, sounds
like the way to go
(doing it while the Teams are working through the one-
IF AT each team
fills out).
We have experimented with sampling... in a class of
48-students this
semester, randomly pulling out a 25% sample of the score
sheets (which we
had made-up, using the "allocation of 4-points" for the
case of 4-possible
answers, approach) they turn in before they go into the
Team/IF AT part
of the exercise. Then, we hand grade those 12-score
sheets, using clear
plastic overlays... having TA help here.. and then
"lecture" only on what
the sample of 12 suggests are problem areas. This works
to the extent the
sample is representative... but I would prefer having a
scanner in class to
see how all 48-students handled the questions. Also,
grading 48-score
sheets by plastic overlay/by hand is tedious at best!
(Also, I am assuming
the scanner technology you are using also associates the
name with the
score? Data (grades/score) management for upwards of 10
or more RATs X 48
students, plus 10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a
nightmare!
Thank you for any help you can provide in this matter.
Gary D. Lynne, Professor
Department of Agricultural Economics and
School of Natural Resources
103B Filley
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0922
Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne
<http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne>
Phone: 1-402-472-8281
"We are always only one failed generational transfer of
knowledge away from
darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly)
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Christine,
The two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a
scantron for the
individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron
allows us to correct
the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our
scanner is no longer
functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by hand.
Scott
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> Hi again,
> It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if
you use the IF-AT
> forms for the individual tests, they'll already know
the answers before
> the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the
IF-AT for the group
test?
> Christine
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