We experienced the same problem with our IFAT forms. I contacted Epstein and they immediately sent out replacements. He said they had some problems with manufacturing the forms. He was very nice about it and I encourage you to contact him right away to reduce your frustrations and the students.
Jill Holmstrom, RN MSN
Assistant Professor
Concordia College
Nursing Department
218-299-3883
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I've had many problems with the IF-AT forms. What happens is that goldish film covering the answers simply won't scratch off (it seems especially stubborn over where the stars are). Students end up with holes in the forms, etc.
Perhaps some of you know a secret on this? Is it perhaps too much humidity? Suggestions? I have been too timid to complain to Epstein but plan, one day, to be more courageous.
Fritz Laux
Economics
Northeastern State U
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We're starting to use clickers instead of scantrons as well.
As far as I can tell, the only way NOT to kill trees and NOT use scantrons is to have students bring their own laptop to class and complete the quiz, perhaps in a course management system. This way they see the questions AND answer choices. But as long as you don't allow them to see the CORRECT answers for the online individual quiz, they can use one member's laptop to see the questions and then complete the IF-AT answer sheet "team quiz."
There was a thread a few months ago on this list about how to even use an online quiz for the team quiz, but I have to say there really is no substitute for the energy of people working with the scratch off cards hoping to hit jackpot on their first answer choice. Great stuff.
The only reason I'd like to see the online team quiz option is so an online-only class might be able to experience what a Face-to-Face or hybrid/blended class does with the team scratch off cards. While the video conferencing tools are getting better, the only problem for an online class is security: how do you guarantee that online students aren't skipping to the "open book" (appeals stage) that is supposed to come AFTER the team quiz.
Later,
John
On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Sandy Cook wrote:
We have been using audience response system that permits the students to take the individual tests at their own pace. It require killing trees for the exams, but the beauty is that we don't have to have them go question by question - they can go back and forth as desired, AND, we have real-time data on how they perform on each item and quick scoring. I wouldn't want to do it any other way.
Sandy
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Associate Dean for Curriculum Development
Duke/NUS Graduate School of Medicine
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Sent: Fri 4/11/2008 8:36 PM
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Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you have been using? This
is one of the challenges with using this approach, on finding out, during
class which questions/concepts are creating problems for the students.
Being able to scan a score sheet, immediately, sounds like the way to go
(doing it while the Teams are working through the one- IF AT each team
fills out).
We have experimented with sampling... in a class of 48-students this
semester, randomly pulling out a 25% sample of the score sheets (which we
had made-up, using the "allocation of 4-points" for the case of 4-possible
answers, approach) they turn in before they go into the Team/IF AT part
of the exercise. Then, we hand grade those 12-score sheets, using clear
plastic overlays... having TA help here.. and then "lecture" only on what
the sample of 12 suggests are problem areas. This works to the extent the
sample is representative... but I would prefer having a scanner in class to
see how all 48-students handled the questions. Also, grading 48-score
sheets by plastic overlay/by hand is tedious at best! (Also, I am assuming
the scanner technology you are using also associates the name with the
score? Data (grades/score) management for upwards of 10 or more RATs X 48
students, plus 10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a nightmare!
Thank you for any help you can provide in this matter.
Gary D. Lynne, Professor
Department of Agricultural Economics and
School of Natural Resources
103B Filley
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0922
Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne
Phone: 1-402-472-8281
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darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly)
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Christine,
The two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a scantron for the
individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron allows us to correct
the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our scanner is no longer
functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by hand.
Scott
On 4/10/08 11:42 PM, "Christine Kuramoto" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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> Hi again,
> It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if you use the IF-AT
> forms for the individual tests, they'll already know the answers before
> the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the IF-AT for the group
test?
> Christine
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