Thanks for the opinions. I'm going with "no" and will be extra careful
writing my RATs.
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John Mark Jackson, OD, MS, FAAO
Southern College of Optometry
(901) 722-3314
Skype: jacksonsco
> From: Herb Coleman <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Herb Coleman <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:26:54 -0500
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Question about appeals process.
>
> I agree with the Team only appeals. One of the skills students need to
> learn is to make a convincing argument. If they can't convince the other
> 4-6 members of their team of the appeal, then how would they convince me?
>
> Sibley, Jim wrote:
>> My instinct would be team appeals only
>>
>> Otherwise the bully personality might not get dampened, convinced, negotiated
>> with
>>
>> The teams are trying to arrive at a shared negotiated understanding of the
>> material.....individual appeals might undermine this
>>
>> Jim Sibley
>>
>> Sorry for brief message -sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 2010-09-01, at 9:55 AM, "Sweet, Michael S" <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My initial thought is that if you're giving out grades, there should be a
>>> BEST answer.
>>>
>>> Perhaps cases of varying quality can be made for others, but there should be
>>> a BEST answer. If two answers truly are equally good, then--yeah--you'd
>>> have to give everyone points who put either of those two, just as would be
>>> the case for any multiple-choice test inside or outside of the TBL
>>> framework.
>>>
>>> If you are discerning in your approving (or not) of appeals, then students
>>> will quickly learn that frivolously appealing is just a waste of time.
>>>
>>> And, of course, I don't recommend your making the granted-or-not-granted
>>> decision right there in the room at the moment. Carry the appeals out of
>>> class with you, let everyone's blood cool off a bit, and decide which to
>>> grant back in your office when you aren't faced with a room full of
>>> demanding eyes. . . .
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>>> Of Jackson, John Mark
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:44 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Question about appeals process.
>>>
>>> I am trying TBL for the first time this year. I teach an optics course for
>>> entering optometry students. There are 120 students in the class.
>>>
>>> Today we took a practice RAT. When we go to the appeals process, they
>>> stumped me. I made it clear (I thought) that only teams can appeal and that
>>> a successful appeal means the team gets credit for the missed item and any
>>> individual who chose that answer would also get credit on the individual
>>> RAT.
>>>
>>> But then they asked: can the team appeal on behalf of a team member? In
>>> other words, if the team overall is happy with the answer, but one student
>>> can make an argument that a second answer is really correct as well, can the
>>> team make a case for that person and have him get credit for his answer?
>>>
>>> My initial thought is NO, because the point is to learn how to critically
>>> think about the question and reach a concensus, not get as many points back
>>> as possible. But if the team really can argue that there are two "good"
>>> answers, what's my defense here?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any thoughts, and I'll be happy to clarify if this doesn't make
>>> sense.
>>> ---------------------------------
>>>
>>> John Mark Jackson, OD, MS, FAAO
>>> Southern College of Optometry
>>> (901) 722-3314
>>> Skype: jacksonsco
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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