Thanks for the opinions. I'm going with "no" and will be extra careful writing my RATs. --------------------------------- John Mark Jackson, OD, MS, FAAO Southern College of Optometry (901) 722-3314 Skype: jacksonsco > From: Herb Coleman <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: Herb Coleman <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:26:54 -0500 > To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Question about appeals process. > > I agree with the Team only appeals. One of the skills students need to > learn is to make a convincing argument. If they can't convince the other > 4-6 members of their team of the appeal, then how would they convince me? > > Sibley, Jim wrote: >> My instinct would be team appeals only >> >> Otherwise the bully personality might not get dampened, convinced, negotiated >> with >> >> The teams are trying to arrive at a shared negotiated understanding of the >> material.....individual appeals might undermine this >> >> Jim Sibley >> >> Sorry for brief message -sent from my iPad >> >> On 2010-09-01, at 9:55 AM, "Sweet, Michael S" <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> >>> My initial thought is that if you're giving out grades, there should be a >>> BEST answer. >>> >>> Perhaps cases of varying quality can be made for others, but there should be >>> a BEST answer. If two answers truly are equally good, then--yeah--you'd >>> have to give everyone points who put either of those two, just as would be >>> the case for any multiple-choice test inside or outside of the TBL >>> framework. >>> >>> If you are discerning in your approving (or not) of appeals, then students >>> will quickly learn that frivolously appealing is just a waste of time. >>> >>> And, of course, I don't recommend your making the granted-or-not-granted >>> decision right there in the room at the moment. Carry the appeals out of >>> class with you, let everyone's blood cool off a bit, and decide which to >>> grant back in your office when you aren't faced with a room full of >>> demanding eyes. . . . >>> >>> -M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >>> Of Jackson, John Mark >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:44 AM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Question about appeals process. >>> >>> I am trying TBL for the first time this year. I teach an optics course for >>> entering optometry students. There are 120 students in the class. >>> >>> Today we took a practice RAT. When we go to the appeals process, they >>> stumped me. I made it clear (I thought) that only teams can appeal and that >>> a successful appeal means the team gets credit for the missed item and any >>> individual who chose that answer would also get credit on the individual >>> RAT. >>> >>> But then they asked: can the team appeal on behalf of a team member? In >>> other words, if the team overall is happy with the answer, but one student >>> can make an argument that a second answer is really correct as well, can the >>> team make a case for that person and have him get credit for his answer? >>> >>> My initial thought is NO, because the point is to learn how to critically >>> think about the question and reach a concensus, not get as many points back >>> as possible. But if the team really can argue that there are two "good" >>> answers, what's my defense here? >>> >>> Thanks for any thoughts, and I'll be happy to clarify if this doesn't make >>> sense. >>> --------------------------------- >>> >>> John Mark Jackson, OD, MS, FAAO >>> Southern College of Optometry >>> (901) 722-3314 >>> Skype: jacksonsco >>> >> >> >> > > -- > > Herb Coleman,Ph.D > Dir. Instructional Computing and Technology > Adjunct Professor of Psychology > Austin Community College > Highland Business Center > 5930 Middle Fiskville Rd. > Austin, TX 78752 > [log in to unmask] > 512-223-7746 > ************************************************* > ³I, and every other professor on this campus, are > here to help you to find, take back, and keep your > righteous mind.² > > ---Professor Melvin Tolson > from the motion picture "The Great Debaters" > ************************************************* >