We handle the group that claims everyone is exceptional…by offering to meet with them…and hear their case…if we buy it…we are happy to give them full points We have only had a handful to teams do this in the 1000+ teams we have had jim -- Jim Sibley Director Centre for Instructional Support Faculty of Applied Science University of British Columbia 2205-6250 Applied Science Lane Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z4 Phone 604.822.9241 Fax 604.822.7006 Email: [log in to unmask]<applewebdata:[log in to unmask]> Check out http://<http://cis.apsc.ubc.ca/>www.teambasedlearning.org © Copyright 2013, Jim Sibley, All rights reserved The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments (collectively "message") is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient (or recipients) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, use, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, and delete the meesage. From: Noam Perry <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: Noam Perry <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:28 AM To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: calculating peer evaluation scores Thanks Jim and Larry for your suggestions. Jim, I thought about lowering grades for everyone as you suggest, however that poses another issue. A group in which everyone receives 10 is, theoretically, the best outcome we should strive for. if the scores are a genuine reflection of students' contribution to the team, it does make sense that all members of that team would receive the highest possible grade. This situation is preferable to the one where 1-2 students do all/most of the work and receive a higher grade than everyone else. Shouldn't the reward system reflect that? Thanks again, Noam On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Larry Michaelsen <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Dear Naom, Whatever system you use, THE key thing you want to AVOID is having your students interpret your choices about your grading system as a way forcing them to give each other bad grades. They tend to push back on peer assessment anyway and, if they think they are being forced to give bad grades to each other, you are not likely to get honest evaluations and you are likely to get lots of complaints. In my case, I don't use the standard 90% = A, so the fact that the average is 10 of 10 is insignificant. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Jim Sibley <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hi we to use the Michaelsen method.....we arbitrarily peg average at 75%....so if the students give tens across the board...they just made everyone average.....so they would get 7.5 out of 10 we tell students this before they fill out the evaluation jim On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Noam Perry <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Dear fellow TBLers. This is my second semester using TBL in a course about human rights. Last semester I ran into a slight problem while calculating the peer evaluation score at the end of the course. I was using peer evaluation as an independent grade component, a.k.a. Michaelsen's procedure. I took this component of the grade to be 10% of the final grade. When I actually calculated the grades, I realized that since the average students score is always 10, some students get more than 10. Given the suggested formula in the book, these students effectively receive extra credit, and the overall course final grades were inflated. Am I missing anything, or is this the way intended? Thanks, Noam ---------------------------------------------- Noam Perry Lecturer Department of Justice Studies San Jose State University One Washington Square San Jose, CA 95192 -- Jim Sibley and Amanda Bradley 106-2575 West 4th Ave. Vancouver, BC Canada h 604-564-1043<tel:604-564-1043> w 604-822-9241<tel:604-822-9241> -- ******************************* Larry K. Michaelsen, Professor of Management Dockery 400G, University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 660/543-4315 voice, 660/543-8465<tel:660%2F543-8465> fax For info on: Team-Based Learning (TBL) <www.teambasedlearning.org<http://www.teambasedlearning.org>> Integrative Business Experience (IBE) <http://ucmo.edu/IBEl<http://faculty.ucmo.edu/ibe/home.html>> *******************************