Hi David – I used scantrons last year, but with 100+ students and 6 RATs, I accumulated a great deal of paper. So, having them register their answers with clickers reduced paper, eliminated the run to the computer center to deliver the RATS, and eliminated the downtime waiting for RATs to be scored. I have them use their PERSONAL clickers for the iRAT and I transfer those to my grade book (in Blackboard Learn) while they take the tRAT. Then I have them answer the tRAT with their TEAM clickers (that I provide) in the same way they answered the iRAT. One thing they like is that I show how the teams answered on the tRAT after each question, and then I show them the correct answer, so they have immediate feedback. I make note of any questions where many of the teams answered incorrectly, and then we discuss those questions (and any other questions they have) after they’ve completed registering all answers for the tRAT. By the way, they also use these TEAM clickers to answer “clicker questions” I present during class time and answers to application questions. Ann From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Raeker-Jordan Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:33 PM To: Smiley-Oyen, Ann [KIN] Subject: Re: Length of time for RATs Ann, I like your idea for using TurningPoint (we have an older version that does not allow for self-paced tests), but I have always had students fill out a scantron for the iRAT. Why do you use TurningPoint instead of scantrons for iRATs? Thanks. P.S. I sent this question only to you, but I bet that lots of folks on the listserve would be interested in your answer. --------------- David Raeker-Jordan Legal Methods Professor Widener University School of Law Harrisburg, PA On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Smiley-Oyen, Ann [KIN] <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Bill - I also use clickers for my RATS. I hand out the questions on paper and they use that sheet to answer each question. Then after people are done (in my case about 15-18 minutes for 10 multiple choice questions), I use the TurningPoint slides. They quickly register their answer for each question because they’ve already selected the answers. I have found that having to read the multiple choice questions on a slide and having a time limit for each slide increases some students’ anxiety level. Ann Smiley-Oyen, PhD Associate Professor and Director of Graduate Education Department of Kinesiology 244 Forker Ames, IA 50011 515-294-8261<tel:515-294-8261> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Brescia, Bill Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:14 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Length of time for RATs Simon, How does this work with the Clickers. We use Turning Technologies also. We set one slide for 90 Seconds or longer if we think it will take longer to complete. We are trying to use 5-6 questions so we can get to the application ASAP. How do you set up clicker questions so the students can answer all the questions on their own? Or am I misreading your post? From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of S Tweddell Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:17 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Length of time for RATs Hi Jenny We don’t set a time limit as such. We’ve taken some advice from our US colleagues and adopted their method, which seems to be working well so far. We set a 5-minute timer going once we’ve received in half of the iRAT scores (captured via clickers from Turning Technologies). The iRATS on my module this semester are 10 questions in length. It’s usually takes somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes for all 105 students to complete (this includes the time to type the answers into the clicker, check them and submit). If they find the questions more challenging (as they did yesterday), it takes a bit longer. Using this flexible method we’ve overcome the need (so far) to allow extra time for disability students. Best wishes Simon ------------------------------------------ Simon Tweddell Senior Lecturer in Pharmacy Practice Bradford School of Pharmacy University of Bradford Bradford BD7 1DP Tel. 01274 235241 e-mail [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jenny Morris Sent: 27 November 2012 10:31 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Length of time for RATs Hello – we have allowed 20 minutes (plus 5 minutes extra time for those with registered extra time needs) for a 15 item MCQ test. I’d be grateful to hear about length of time others have allowed. Several students are complaining this is not enough time! Best wishes Jenny Dr Jenny Morris Associate Professor (Senior Lecturer) in Health Studies Faculty of Health, Education and Society University of Plymouth Knowledge Spa Treliske Truro TR1 3HD Cornwall Tel: 01872 256461 Web: http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/faculties/health ‘High quality education for high quality care’ [cid:image001.png@01CDCC9C.671E5CE0]