I love your last comment I just can’t imagine going back to teaching by lectures. It bores me as well as them… -- Jim Sibley Director Centre for Instructional Support Faculty of Applied Science University of British Columbia 2205-6250 Applied Science Lane Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z4 Phone 604.822.9241 Fax 604.822.7006 Email: [log in to unmask]<applewebdata:[log in to unmask]> Check out http://<http://cis.apsc.ubc.ca/>www.teambasedlearning.org © Copyright 2012, Jim Sibley, All rights reserved The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments (collectively "message") is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient (or recipients) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, use, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, and delete the meesage. From: Alexandra Albright <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: Alexandra Albright <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:35:24 -0500 To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: If not Doing iRats, What? This is an excellent description of what my law students say…. “I had to teach myself” is a common complaint. A few also nitpick the RAT questions and fight with me about why their answer is correct when is not—yes, a fight, not a discussion—it makes everyone in the class uncomfortable. They are so competitive as to grades, the RATs seem to make them even more anxious. There was some level of comfort after I quit using the RATS as a specific component of the grade. Now it is part of the “class participation” grade than can raise or lower their grade by a step. So now all my TBL is seen as Discussion Questions instead of a series of high stakes multiple choice quizzes. Of course, in law school we are on a fixed curve, which complicates grading incentives. I say, keep at it, and see how it goes after a semester or two. I get plenty of students who tell me AFTER THE EXAM, that they really think TBL helped them learn and made studying easier. And frankly, I just can’t imagine going back to teaching by lectures. It bores me as well as them… Alex Albright Univ of Texas Law School From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bradetich, Judith Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:12 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: If not Doing iRats, What? Hello, I have been using TBL in my Adolescent and Infant Development classes this summer. One of the primary complaints I had was that the students felt little impetus to come to class after taking the RATs, as they felt I had already tested their knowledge and even though the next few classes were spent doing applications, they didn't "get it." The common complaint was that the RATs were too difficult and asked for application instead of "knowledge" and they felt that the rest of the time they were "just teaching ourselves" and it was the blind leading the blind. I did lecture a bit AFTER the RATs, priming them for the activities... They wanted their tests to be more rote learning, I guess. They wanted to be able to prove that they knew the material, but instead seemed to feel frustrated that no matter how well they thought they knew it, they did poorly. I reassured them that low grades were typical on iRats - and they did do much better with their teams, but their level of anger and frustration at me and the TBL format was palpable. Should I be giving them some individual low-stakes knowledge quizzes before the RATs so they can feel like they know the stuff before they have to apply it? It made me question my tests. They DID have study guides. These were summer courses, which meant a fair amount of density, by definition. I generally tested 2 chapters per RAT = perhaps I should have given one RAT per chapter - 2 RATs per week?... They really hated being tested before I lectured - and I really tried not to lecture very much...though I found myself falling back onto past pre-TBL lectures, which basically reiterated the reading - but since they were after the students had read I think they felt it was redundant. Change is hard, I know, and I kept reassuring them that it was harder for me to NOT lecture and to come up with viable activities...but this particular group seemed especially testy. Might have just been the participants... Thoughts anyone? - especially about the lack of impetus to come to class AFTER being tested. Thanks, Judi Bradetich Judi Bradetich, M.S., M.M. Lecturer, Development and Family Studies Dept. of Educational Psychology University of North Texas ________________________________ From: Team-Based Learning [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of McCormack, Wayne T [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:31 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: If not Doing iRats, What? Do more applications! Use RATs as needed for new material, but spend no more than 25% of your total TBL time with readiness assurance. If you have multiple courses using TBL at the same time in your curriculum, you might want to avoid having multiple RATs on the same day. Wayne McCormack University of Florida College of Medicine