Penne and all: "Me too"... i.e. we use hard copy and clickers (Response the last few years; moving to iClicker this year) for the iRAT (individual). We suggest they mark their hard copies as they go through them, in addition to entering answers into the clicker. Then, they take their hard copies to the Team break-out, and redo same on the IFAT form. While they are doing the tRAT (team), we check results from the clicker input.. so, we pretty much know what to "lecture to" by the time the Teams are done. We collect the hard copies after the teams are done (have a manila envelope for each team, in which they insert the hard copies and the completed IFAT form). We also tried using Team Clickers... asked the teams to click in their first scratch point on the IFAT form... but, discovered that some teams would not do this, waiting until the asterisk appeared, so this turned out to not be useful. Had hoped the "1st scratch" data would also have been useful to the "lecture to problem areas" part of the class. Good to hear someone else is finding this a useful way ... Gary D. Lynne, Professor Department of Agricultural Economics and School of Natural Resources 103B Filley University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lincoln, NE 68583-0922 USA Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne Phone: 1-402-472-8281 Cell: 1-402-430-3100 This message and any attachments are confidential, may contain privileged information, and are intended solely for the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivery to the named recipient, any review, distribution, dissemination or copying by you is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, you should notify the sender by return e-mail and delete the message from your computer system and destroy any copies in any form. "We are always only one failed generational transfer of knowledge away from darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly) "We do not just have our own interests. We share interests with others. Empathy ... exemplifies the implicit solidarity of human nature" (Robert Solomon) "Whoever frames the debate tends to win the debate" (George Lakoff) From: Penne Restad <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: 12/14/2011 12:03 PM Subject: RAT process Sent by: Team-Based Learning <[log in to unmask]> Hi All, In response to the comment about doing the RAT process with a large class: I do TBL / RATs with a class of 80 undergraduates. Students take the quiz on hard copy, then record their answers using iclickers. This allows them to use hard copy for reference in the team RAT. Teams use if/at cards to take the second quiz. The chance argue about and agree on an answer, finding out immediately (scratching the if/at) that the answer's is incorrect, consistently spurs interesting learning exchanges. Penne P. Restad Distinguished Senior Lecturer Department of History University of Texas at Austin 1 University Station B7000 Austin, TX 78712-0220