Hello all,

I wonder if students with similar anti-social issues could be diagnosed as
having a disability, requiring special accommodation under US law.

I will try to find out from my college, but if anyone knows the answer, I am
interested.  Currently, I have a few students that may fit the bill.

The strategies to help with these students are appreciated.  I will try them
out.  Thank you.

Best,
Eddy Chi

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Eddy Chi, MA
Assistant Professor, Economics
Humanities and Social Sciences Department
Moreno Valley College, Riverside Community College District
16130 Lasselle Street
Moreno Valley, CA 92551, USA
Phone: 951-571-6100
Fax: 951-571-6185


On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Sibley, Jim <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Dean
>
> Very helpful
>
> Probably a situation that may not have a good outcome but will have an
> outcome
>
> A friend of mine that works in the mental health system believes there to
> be15-20% of people with personality disorders...this number was estimated
> from his employee and counselor pool
>
> The amazing thing isn't that we get people like this...but that we don't
> get more
>
> Something about all the social negotiation in the tbl classroom...maybe
>
> $$$$$ I agree with Dean very strongly about setting really clear boundaries
> and limitations
>
> When I get a problem student my typically range of responses
>
> 1. Talk with student
> 2. Talk to team about managing the student for extra credit....rub here is
> that it can't get in the way of their learning
>
> Seems like many problem students do come around....but I doubt you will be
> so lucky
>
> Not that I would ever do the following...but....I have always wondered
> about put such students in team of one.....lower tRat scores...no one to
> talk to....maybe they would come to see value in team mates....but I doubt
> it
>
> Jim Sibley
>
> Sorry for brief message -sent from my iPad
>
> On 2010-10-17, at 7:22 AM, "Dean Parmelee" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Dean Dianne, thank you for sharing this story.  Thankfully, there are not
> too many students out there with this kind of severe personality disorder.
>  Speaking as a psychiatrist,  some tips: (1) there is no treatment that
> works, so forget referring for counseling; (2) letting her know this last
> time that she will be by herself is good, get a zero if she can't behave;
> (3) firm and unequivocal limits/consequences is essential; she may make you
> feel sorry for her, which would be part of her manipulations - have no pity,
> as cruel as this sounds.  We too had one student like this in 9 years, and
> she will never be a practicing doctor.  The TBL helped us identify her
> early.
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2010, at 4:53 PM, "York, Dianne" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> I have a student in my introductory biology course that is quite a
> challenge for me. This is the third time I’ve had her my class. She failed
> the first go round, and did not work well with her team, then. More than
> halfway through that semester, she begged me to let her change teams. She
> said she could not see the board, and that she did not get along with her
> team. After a short conversation with her, I reluctantly agreed and moved
> her to the front, joining her with another team. It was immediately apparent
> that I’d moved her into a team with a friend of hers that also sat in the
> front row. They chatted their way through the rest of the semester.
> >>
> >> Last semester, I assigned her to a team that sits in the front of the
> class. (I use a seating chart.) Right away she approached me and begged me
> to change her team to one that is seated near the rear of the class,
> presumably to be in a team with her friend. I steadfastly refused, reminding
> her that I know she needs to be in the front of the room. She stormed out of
> the room and withdrew.
> >>
> >> This semester, I again assigned her to a team at the front. For several
> weeks, she sat with her friend on another team. She never even attempted to
> work with her team. We had several conversations after class, and she
> offered various reasons for her behavior, including she doesn’t get along
> with someone on that team, the team is “too full†, etc. Repeatedly, I
> told her that none of the students pick their team. I reiterated why that is
> and why she shouldn’t be in the same team as her friend (who also failed
> the class previously, BTW). I reassigned her to a different team because she
> stated difficulty (a “judicial†) with another student in her original
> team.
> >>
> >> I was relieved when she seemed to be working with the new team. Then,
> one of her teammates came to my office stating that the student is
> reportedly distracting the others, not contributing, and basically
> sabotoging their efforts. Their team was working fine before the problem
> student joined. I spoke with another student in that team who agreed. So, I
> pulled her aside the other day and told her that she needs to fix things
> quickly or she will be a team of one for the rest of the semester.
> >>
> >> Anyone have experience with a similar situation? Ideas? Advice?
> >>
> >> I’ve been using teams for about 4 years now, 200 students per
> semester, 50 students per class. I’ve not had anywhere near this kind of
> resistance to teamwork before.
>  >>
> >> Dianne York, MS, MT(ASCP)
> >> Lecturer, Biology
> >> Lincoln University, PA
> >> [log in to unmask]
>