Hello all, I wonder if students with similar anti-social issues could be diagnosed as having a disability, requiring special accommodation under US law. I will try to find out from my college, but if anyone knows the answer, I am interested. Currently, I have a few students that may fit the bill. The strategies to help with these students are appreciated. I will try them out. Thank you. Best, Eddy Chi -- Eddy Chi, MA Assistant Professor, Economics Humanities and Social Sciences Department Moreno Valley College, Riverside Community College District 16130 Lasselle Street Moreno Valley, CA 92551, USA Phone: 951-571-6100 Fax: 951-571-6185 On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Sibley, Jim <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Dean > > Very helpful > > Probably a situation that may not have a good outcome but will have an > outcome > > A friend of mine that works in the mental health system believes there to > be15-20% of people with personality disorders...this number was estimated > from his employee and counselor pool > > The amazing thing isn't that we get people like this...but that we don't > get more > > Something about all the social negotiation in the tbl classroom...maybe > > $$$$$ I agree with Dean very strongly about setting really clear boundaries > and limitations > > When I get a problem student my typically range of responses > > 1. Talk with student > 2. Talk to team about managing the student for extra credit....rub here is > that it can't get in the way of their learning > > Seems like many problem students do come around....but I doubt you will be > so lucky > > Not that I would ever do the following...but....I have always wondered > about put such students in team of one.....lower tRat scores...no one to > talk to....maybe they would come to see value in team mates....but I doubt > it > > Jim Sibley > > Sorry for brief message -sent from my iPad > > On 2010-10-17, at 7:22 AM, "Dean Parmelee" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Dean Dianne, thank you for sharing this story. Thankfully, there are not > too many students out there with this kind of severe personality disorder. > Speaking as a psychiatrist, some tips: (1) there is no treatment that > works, so forget referring for counseling; (2) letting her know this last > time that she will be by herself is good, get a zero if she can't behave; > (3) firm and unequivocal limits/consequences is essential; she may make you > feel sorry for her, which would be part of her manipulations - have no pity, > as cruel as this sounds. We too had one student like this in 9 years, and > she will never be a practicing doctor. The TBL helped us identify her > early. > > > > Dean > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Oct 16, 2010, at 4:53 PM, "York, Dianne" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> Greetings, > >> > >> I have a student in my introductory biology course that is quite a > challenge for me. This is the third time I’ve had her my class. She failed > the first go round, and did not work well with her team, then. More than > halfway through that semester, she begged me to let her change teams. She > said she could not see the board, and that she did not get along with her > team. After a short conversation with her, I reluctantly agreed and moved > her to the front, joining her with another team. It was immediately apparent > that I’d moved her into a team with a friend of hers that also sat in the > front row. They chatted their way through the rest of the semester. > >> > >> Last semester, I assigned her to a team that sits in the front of the > class. (I use a seating chart.) Right away she approached me and begged me > to change her team to one that is seated near the rear of the class, > presumably to be in a team with her friend. I steadfastly refused, reminding > her that I know she needs to be in the front of the room. She stormed out of > the room and withdrew. > >> > >> This semester, I again assigned her to a team at the front. For several > weeks, she sat with her friend on another team. She never even attempted to > work with her team. We had several conversations after class, and she > offered various reasons for her behavior, including she doesn’t get along > with someone on that team, the team is “too full†, etc. Repeatedly, I > told her that none of the students pick their team. I reiterated why that is > and why she shouldn’t be in the same team as her friend (who also failed > the class previously, BTW). I reassigned her to a different team because she > stated difficulty (a “judicial†) with another student in her original > team. > >> > >> I was relieved when she seemed to be working with the new team. Then, > one of her teammates came to my office stating that the student is > reportedly distracting the others, not contributing, and basically > sabotoging their efforts. Their team was working fine before the problem > student joined. I spoke with another student in that team who agreed. So, I > pulled her aside the other day and told her that she needs to fix things > quickly or she will be a team of one for the rest of the semester. > >> > >> Anyone have experience with a similar situation? Ideas? Advice? > >> > >> I’ve been using teams for about 4 years now, 200 students per > semester, 50 students per class. I’ve not had anywhere near this kind of > resistance to teamwork before. > >> > >> Dianne York, MS, MT(ASCP) > >> Lecturer, Biology > >> Lincoln University, PA > >> [log in to unmask] >