I agree with the Team only appeals. One of the skills students need to learn is to make a convincing argument. If they can't convince the other 4-6 members of their team of the appeal, then how would they convince me? Sibley, Jim wrote: > My instinct would be team appeals only > > Otherwise the bully personality might not get dampened, convinced, negotiated with > > The teams are trying to arrive at a shared negotiated understanding of the material.....individual appeals might undermine this > > Jim Sibley > > Sorry for brief message -sent from my iPad > > On 2010-09-01, at 9:55 AM, "Sweet, Michael S" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >> My initial thought is that if you're giving out grades, there should be a BEST answer. >> >> Perhaps cases of varying quality can be made for others, but there should be a BEST answer. If two answers truly are equally good, then--yeah--you'd have to give everyone points who put either of those two, just as would be the case for any multiple-choice test inside or outside of the TBL framework. >> >> If you are discerning in your approving (or not) of appeals, then students will quickly learn that frivolously appealing is just a waste of time. >> >> And, of course, I don't recommend your making the granted-or-not-granted decision right there in the room at the moment. Carry the appeals out of class with you, let everyone's blood cool off a bit, and decide which to grant back in your office when you aren't faced with a room full of demanding eyes. . . . >> >> -M >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jackson, John Mark >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:44 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Question about appeals process. >> >> I am trying TBL for the first time this year. I teach an optics course for entering optometry students. There are 120 students in the class. >> >> Today we took a practice RAT. When we go to the appeals process, they stumped me. I made it clear (I thought) that only teams can appeal and that a successful appeal means the team gets credit for the missed item and any individual who chose that answer would also get credit on the individual RAT. >> >> But then they asked: can the team appeal on behalf of a team member? In other words, if the team overall is happy with the answer, but one student can make an argument that a second answer is really correct as well, can the team make a case for that person and have him get credit for his answer? >> >> My initial thought is NO, because the point is to learn how to critically think about the question and reach a concensus, not get as many points back as possible. But if the team really can argue that there are two "good" answers, what's my defense here? >> >> Thanks for any thoughts, and I'll be happy to clarify if this doesn't make sense. >> --------------------------------- >> >> John Mark Jackson, OD, MS, FAAO >> Southern College of Optometry >> (901) 722-3314 >> Skype: jacksonsco >> > > > -- Herb Coleman,Ph.D Dir. Instructional Computing and Technology Adjunct Professor of Psychology Austin Community College Highland Business Center 5930 Middle Fiskville Rd. Austin, TX 78752 [log in to unmask] 512-223-7746 ************************************************* “I, and every other professor on this campus, are here to help you to find, take back, and keep your righteous mind.” ---Professor Melvin Tolson from the motion picture "The Great Debaters" *************************************************