Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you have been using? This is one of the challenges with using this approach, on finding out, during class which questions/concepts are creating problems for the students. Being able to scan a score sheet, immediately, sounds like the way to go (doing it while the Teams are working through the one- IF AT each team fills out). We have experimented with sampling... in a class of 48-students this semester, randomly pulling out a 25% sample of the score sheets (which we had made-up, using the "allocation of 4-points" for the case of 4-possible answers, approach) they turn in before they go into the Team/IF AT part of the exercise. Then, we hand grade those 12-score sheets, using clear plastic overlays... having TA help here.. and then "lecture" only on what the sample of 12 suggests are problem areas. This works to the extent the sample is representative... but I would prefer having a scanner in class to see how all 48-students handled the questions. Also, grading 48-score sheets by plastic overlay/by hand is tedious at best! (Also, I am assuming the scanner technology you are using also associates the name with the score? Data (grades/score) management for upwards of 10 or more RATs X 48 students, plus 10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a nightmare! Thank you for any help you can provide in this matter. Gary D. Lynne, Professor Department of Agricultural Economics and School of Natural Resources 103B Filley University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lincoln, NE 68583-0922 Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne Phone: 1-402-472-8281 "We are always only one failed generational transfer of knowledge away from darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly) ----- Forwarded by Gary D Lynne/AgEcon/IANR/UNEBR on 04/11/2008 07:24 AM ----- Scott Zimmerman <scottzimmerman@M ISSOURISTATE.EDU> To Sent by: Team [log in to unmask] Learning cc Discussion List <TEAMLEARNING-L@L Subject ISTS.OU.EDU> Re: IF-AT use 04/11/2008 06:58 AM Please respond to Scott Zimmerman <scottzimmerman@M ISSOURISTATE.EDU> Christine, The two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a scantron for the individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron allows us to correct the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our scanner is no longer functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by hand. Scott On 4/10/08 11:42 PM, "Christine Kuramoto" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi again, > It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if you use the IF-AT > forms for the individual tests, they'll already know the answers before > the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the IF-AT for the group test? > Christine -- Scott D. Zimmerman, PhD Biomedical Sciences Department Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (417) 836-6123 Fax (417) 836-5588