I've had many problems
with the IF-AT forms. What happens is that goldish film covering the answers
simply won't scratch off (it seems especially stubborn over where the stars
are). Students end up with holes in the forms, etc.
Perhaps some of you
know a secret on this? Is it perhaps too much humidity? Suggestions?
I have been too timid to complain to Epstein but plan, one day, to be more
courageous.
Fritz
Laux
Economics
Northeastern State
U
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We're starting to use clickers instead of scantrons as
well.
As far as I can tell, the only way NOT to kill trees and
NOT use scantrons is to have students bring their own laptop to class and
complete the quiz, perhaps in a course management system. This way they see the
questions AND answer choices. But as long as you don't allow them to see the
CORRECT answers for the online individual quiz, they can use one member's laptop
to see the questions and then complete the IF-AT answer sheet "team
quiz."
There was a thread a few months ago on this list about
how to even use an online quiz for the team quiz, but I have to say there really
is no substitute for the energy of people working with the scratch off cards
hoping to hit jackpot on their first answer choice. Great
stuff.
The only reason I'd like to see the online team quiz
option is so an online-only class might be able to experience what a
Face-to-Face or hybrid/blended class does with the team scratch off cards. While
the video conferencing tools are getting better, the only problem for an online
class is security: how do you guarantee that online students aren't skipping to
the "open book" (appeals stage) that is supposed to come AFTER the team
quiz.
Later,
John
On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:49 AM,
We have been using audience response system that permits
the students to take the individual tests at their own pace. It require
killing trees for the exams, but the beauty is that we don't have to have them
go question by question - they can go back and forth as desired, AND, we have
real-time data on how they perform on each item and quick scoring. I
wouldn't want to do it any other way.
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Development
Duke/NUS
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Sent: Fri 4/11/2008 8:36 PM
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Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you
have been using? This
is one of the challenges with using this
approach, on finding out, during
class which questions/concepts are creating
problems for the students.
Being able to scan a score sheet, immediately,
sounds like the way to go
(doing it while the Teams are working through the
one- IF AT each team
fills out).
We have experimented with sampling...
in a class of 48-students this
semester, randomly pulling out a 25% sample of
the score sheets (which we
had made-up, using the "allocation of 4-points"
for the case of 4-possible
answers, approach) they turn in before
they go into the Team/IF AT part
of the exercise. Then, we hand grade
those 12-score sheets, using clear
plastic overlays... having TA help
here.. and then "lecture" only on what
the sample of 12 suggests are
problem areas. This works to the extent the
sample is representative...
but I would prefer having a scanner in class to
see how all 48-students
handled the questions. Also, grading 48-score
sheets by plastic
overlay/by hand is tedious at best! (Also, I am assuming
the scanner
technology you are using also associates the name with the
score? Data
(grades/score) management for upwards of 10 or more RATs X 48
students, plus
10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a nightmare!
Thank you for any help
you can provide in this matter.
Gary D. Lynne, Professor
Department of
Agricultural Economics and
103B
Filley
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne
Phone:
1-402-472-8281
"We are always only one failed generational transfer of
knowledge away from
darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly)
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Christine,
The
two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a scantron for
the
individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron allows us to
correct
the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our scanner is no
longer
functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by
hand.
Scott
On 4/10/08 11:42 PM, "Christine Kuramoto" <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi again,
> It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if you use
the IF-AT
> forms for the individual tests, they'll already know the
answers before
> the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the IF-AT
for the group
test?
> Christine
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