Hi All For scanners check out http://www.appersonedu.com/ADVabout.asp for only $750 they are a good deal they print item analysis forms...so no need for a computer at class they also print on the test sheets...score and correct/incorrect marks We have 3 that we are happy with and have them in plastic toolboxes....so they are easy to take to class ######################### If you are have groups bringing laptops there are two things to check out 1) ETH lecture communicator - open source, sort of classroom response system 2) Dan Robinson Software that replaces both the individual test and team test - he presented the tool at last years TBL conference (PODcast - http://tbl.apsc.ubc.ca/conferences/2007/june_1/c180/robinson_sweet/video /june_1_c180_robinson_sweet.html) ########################### We too having been thinking about TBL online....it is our intent to write a grant to do this...this fall In the mean time....as a follow-up to a webcast I gave on Tuesday....I wrote a small posting on "TBL online?" http://cis.apsc.ubc.ca/wiki/index.php/TBL_Online Jim ________________________________ From: Team Learning Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Fritz Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:04 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: IF-AT use We're starting to use clickers instead of scantrons as well. As far as I can tell, the only way NOT to kill trees and NOT use scantrons is to have students bring their own laptop to class and complete the quiz, perhaps in a course management system. This way they see the questions AND answer choices. But as long as you don't allow them to see the CORRECT answers for the online individual quiz, they can use one member's laptop to see the questions and then complete the IF-AT answer sheet "team quiz." There was a thread a few months ago on this list about how to even use an online quiz for the team quiz, but I have to say there really is no substitute for the energy of people working with the scratch off cards hoping to hit jackpot on their first answer choice. Great stuff. The only reason I'd like to see the online team quiz option is so an online-only class might be able to experience what a Face-to-Face or hybrid/blended class does with the team scratch off cards. While the video conferencing tools are getting better, the only problem for an online class is security: how do you guarantee that online students aren't skipping to the "open book" (appeals stage) that is supposed to come AFTER the team quiz. Later, John On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Sandy Cook wrote: We have been using audience response system that permits the students to take the individual tests at their own pace. It require killing trees for the exams, but the beauty is that we don't have to have them go question by question - they can go back and forth as desired, AND, we have real-time data on how they perform on each item and quick scoring. I wouldn't want to do it any other way. Sandy ************************************************** Sandy Cook, PhD Associate Dean for Curriculum Development Duke/NUS Graduate School of Medicine -----Original Message----- From: Team Learning Discussion List on behalf of Gary D Lynne Sent: Fri 4/11/2008 8:36 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Fw: IF-AT use Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you have been using? This is one of the challenges with using this approach, on finding out, during class which questions/concepts are creating problems for the students. Being able to scan a score sheet, immediately, sounds like the way to go (doing it while the Teams are working through the one- IF AT each team fills out). We have experimented with sampling... in a class of 48-students this semester, randomly pulling out a 25% sample of the score sheets (which we had made-up, using the "allocation of 4-points" for the case of 4-possible answers, approach) they turn in before they go into the Team/IF AT part of the exercise. Then, we hand grade those 12-score sheets, using clear plastic overlays... having TA help here.. and then "lecture" only on what the sample of 12 suggests are problem areas. This works to the extent the sample is representative... but I would prefer having a scanner in class to see how all 48-students handled the questions. Also, grading 48-score sheets by plastic overlay/by hand is tedious at best! (Also, I am assuming the scanner technology you are using also associates the name with the score? Data (grades/score) management for upwards of 10 or more RATs X 48 students, plus 10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a nightmare! Thank you for any help you can provide in this matter. Gary D. Lynne, Professor Department of Agricultural Economics and School of Natural Resources 103B Filley University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lincoln, NE 68583-0922 Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne Phone: 1-402-472-8281 "We are always only one failed generational transfer of knowledge away from darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly) ----- Forwarded by Gary D Lynne/AgEcon/IANR/UNEBR on 04/11/2008 07:24 AM ----- Scott Zimmerman <scottzimmerman@M ISSOURISTATE.EDU> To Sent by: Team [log in to unmask] Learning cc Discussion List <TEAMLEARNING-L@L Subject ISTS.OU.EDU> Re: IF-AT use 04/11/2008 06:58 AM Please respond to Scott Zimmerman <scottzimmerman@M ISSOURISTATE.EDU> Christine, The two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a scantron for the individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron allows us to correct the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our scanner is no longer functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by hand. Scott On 4/10/08 11:42 PM, "Christine Kuramoto" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi again, > It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if you use the IF-AT > forms for the individual tests, they'll already know the answers before > the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the IF-AT for the group test? > Christine -- Scott D. Zimmerman, PhD Biomedical Sciences Department Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (417) 836-6123 Fax (417) 836-5588 <pic16972.gif><ecblank.gif>