Gary, We had been using a simple Pearson scanner but have run into problems with it. It was providing us with a data file linking specific answers to specific students. We can then do what you do, provide mini-lectures for the topics the students show the greatest need. We also emphasize the feedback value of the experience. Scott On 4/11/08 7:36 AM, "Gary D Lynne" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you have been using? This is > one of the challenges with using this approach, on finding out, during class > which questions/concepts are creating problems for the students. Being able > to scan a score sheet, immediately, sounds like the way to go (doing it while > the Teams are working through the one- IF AT each team fills out). > > We have experimented with sampling... in a class of 48-students this semester, > randomly pulling out a 25% sample of the score sheets (which we had made-up, > using the "allocation of 4-points" for the case of 4-possible answers, > approach) they turn in before they go into the Team/IF AT part of the > exercise. Then, we hand grade those 12-score sheets, using clear plastic > overlays... having TA help here.. and then "lecture" only on what the sample > of 12 suggests are problem areas. This works to the extent the sample is > representative... but I would prefer having a scanner in class to see how all > 48-students handled the questions. Also, grading 48-score sheets by plastic > overlay/by hand is tedious at best! (Also, I am assuming the scanner > technology you are using also associates the name with the score? Data > (grades/score) management for upwards of 10 or more RATs X 48 students, plus > 10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a nightmare! > > Thank you for any help you can provide in this matter. > > Gary D. Lynne, Professor > Department of Agricultural Economics and > School of Natural Resources > 103B Filley > University of Nebraska-Lincoln > Lincoln, NE 68583-0922 > Website: http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne > Phone: 1-402-472-8281 > > "We are always only one failed generational transfer of knowledge away from > darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly) > ----- Forwarded by Gary D Lynne/AgEcon/IANR/UNEBR on 04/11/2008 07:24 AM ----- > >>>>> Scott Zimmerman <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent by: Team Learning Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> 04/11/2008 06:58 AM Please respond to >>>>> Scott Zimmerman <[log in to unmask]> > To > > [log in to unmask] > > cc > > > Subject > > Re: IF-AT use > > Christine, > > The two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a scantron for the > individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron allows us to correct > the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our scanner is no longer > functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by hand. > > Scott > > > On 4/10/08 11:42 PM, "Christine Kuramoto" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> > Hi again, >> > It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if you use the IF-AT >> > forms for the individual tests, they'll already know the answers before >> > the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the IF-AT for the group >> test? >> > Christine -- Scott D. Zimmerman, PhD Biomedical Sciences Department Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (417) 836-6123 Fax (417) 836-5588