Fritz & others,
I'd like to share a little information on the IF-AT forms and the
problems people have been experiencing with them.
I have been using them for several years and they always worked just
fine - until just a few months ago. Then, not often but a few times,
people were reporting that the gold layer on their form wouldn't scratch off.
Before I could get around to checking with Mike Epstein
about it, he called me (I use a lot of them, so we know each other)
and said he had had some production problems and was changing the
physical production: replacing the gold layer with some other
material (looks like silver and gold to my eyes).
He then sent me some sets of the new forms, and I have not
had any problems since then.
RECOMMENDATION: If you have any of the old forms with the layer just
in gold, you might want to contact Mike, tell him how many of the old
ones you have, and he will replace them, perhaps without charge.
My Best, Dee
At 12:15 PM 4/11/2008, Fritz Laux wrote:
>I've had many problems with the IF-AT forms. What happens is that
>goldish film covering the answers simply won't scratch off (it seems
>especially stubborn over where the stars are). Students end up with
>holes in the forms, etc.
>
>Perhaps some of you know a secret on this? Is it perhaps too much
>humidity? Suggestions? I have been too timid to complain to Epstein
>but plan, one day, to be more courageous.
>
>Fritz Laux
>Economics
>Northeastern State U
>
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>From: Team Learning Discussion List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Fritz
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:04 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: IF-AT use
>
>We're starting to use clickers instead of scantrons as well.
>
>As far as I can tell, the only way NOT to kill trees and NOT use
>scantrons is to have students bring their own laptop to class and
>complete the quiz, perhaps in a course management system. This way
>they see the questions AND answer choices. But as long as you don't
>allow them to see the CORRECT answers for the online individual
>quiz, they can use one member's laptop to see the questions and then
>complete the IF-AT answer sheet "team quiz."
>
>There was a thread a few months ago on this list about how to even
>use an online quiz for the team quiz, but I have to say there really
>is no substitute for the energy of people working with the scratch
>off cards hoping to hit jackpot on their first answer choice. Great stuff.
>
>The only reason I'd like to see the online team quiz option is so an
>online-only class might be able to experience what a Face-to-Face or
>hybrid/blended class does with the team scratch off cards. While the
>video conferencing tools are getting better, the only problem for an
>online class is security: how do you guarantee that online students
>aren't skipping to the "open book" (appeals stage) that is supposed
>to come AFTER the team quiz.
>
>Later,
>
>John
>
>On Apr 11, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Sandy Cook wrote:
>
>
>We have been using audience response system that permits the
>students to take the individual tests at their own pace. It require
>killing trees for the exams, but the beauty is that we don't have to
>have them go question by question - they can go back and forth as
>desired, AND, we have real-time data on how they perform on each
>item and quick scoring. I wouldn't want to do it any other way.
>
>Sandy
>
>**************************************************
>Sandy Cook, PhD
>Associate Dean for Curriculum Development
>Duke/NUS Graduate School of Medicine
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Team Learning Discussion List on behalf of Gary D Lynne
>Sent: Fri 4/11/2008 8:36 PM
>To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]
>Subject: Fw: IF-AT use
>
>
>
>Scott, I am wondering what scanner technology you have been using? This
>is one of the challenges with using this approach, on finding out, during
>class which questions/concepts are creating problems for the students.
>Being able to scan a score sheet, immediately, sounds like the way to go
>(doing it while the Teams are working through the one- IF AT each team
>fills out).
>
>We have experimented with sampling... in a class of 48-students this
>semester, randomly pulling out a 25% sample of the score sheets (which we
>had made-up, using the "allocation of 4-points" for the case of 4-possible
>answers, approach) they turn in before they go into the Team/IF AT part
>of the exercise. Then, we hand grade those 12-score sheets, using clear
>plastic overlays... having TA help here.. and then "lecture" only on what
>the sample of 12 suggests are problem areas. This works to the extent the
>sample is representative... but I would prefer having a scanner in class to
>see how all 48-students handled the questions. Also, grading 48-score
>sheets by plastic overlay/by hand is tedious at best! (Also, I am assuming
>the scanner technology you are using also associates the name with the
>score? Data (grades/score) management for upwards of 10 or more RATs X 48
>students, plus 10 X 8 Team RATs a semester is a nightmare!
>
>Thank you for any help you can provide in this matter.
>
>Gary D. Lynne, Professor
>Department of Agricultural Economics and
> School of Natural Resources
>103B Filley
>University of Nebraska-Lincoln
>Lincoln, NE 68583-0922
>Website: <http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne>http://agecon.unl.edu/lynne
>Phone: 1-402-472-8281
>
>"We are always only one failed generational transfer of knowledge away from
>darkest ignorance" (Herman Daly)
>----- Forwarded by Gary D Lynne/AgEcon/IANR/UNEBR on 04/11/2008 07:24 AM
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>Christine,
>
>The two RATs are exactly the same. Ideally, we use a scantron for the
>individual and the IF-AT for the team. The scantron allows us to correct
>the individual RAT during the team RAT. Since our scanner is no longer
>functioning, we have been correcting the IRATs by hand.
>
>Scott
>
>
>On 4/10/08 11:42 PM, "Christine Kuramoto"
><<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]>
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> > Hi again,
> > It looks to me as if the tests are the same, but if you use the IF-AT
> > forms for the individual tests, they'll already know the answers before
> > the group test so . . . Is it best to only use the IF-AT for the group
>test?
> > Christine
>
>--
>Scott D. Zimmerman, PhD
>Biomedical Sciences Department
>Missouri State University
>Springfield, MO 65897
>(417) 836-6123
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