Bill & others,

I would like to respond to Bill's specific situation, because it has so many of the common challenges of team-based learning.

The Assignment:  I looked at the material on the website.  Excellent materials, and enough to lay the foundation for some real critical thinking.
        However, using short-answer essay responses (even though you have them write these out on the board simultaneously) is probably part of the reason the students are not responding better.  Too many questions at once, too many moving parts.
        Instead, I would suggest modifying these in the following way: Student Reactions:
I too have often had students make the comments you report.  I have to remind myself that, for the students, this is a new and different ways of learning.  Students are not usually challenged to learn on their own (they should be, in my view, but they aren't). 
        That level of change is almost always going to generate some initial discomfort.  The challenge for us as teachers is then to help them through that phase until they have time to adjust and find out the value of this way of learning.
        My reaction: Talk these out with the whole class.  You can be sure that if some students voice these concerns, several other students have them as well.   So I want a chance to share my thinking with the whole class on these concerns.
        Some possible responses: So, to answer your basic questions:  yes, there are some things you can do differently to help the discussion phase of this process, but this is a widespread difficulty of early users.   On the other hand, the initial responses of your students are also very common.  Help them think through what is happening and ask them to give the process a little time, and then see what they think about it.

Dee Fink


At 02:13 PM 2/9/2004, William Bromer wrote:
Hi everyone,
Like Karla, I also just started team based learning this semester and I
seem to have a similar problem with teams not willing to defend their
answers.  For example, last week they completed a case study on
speciation of maggot flies
(http://www.sciencecases.org/maggot_fly/maggot_fly.asp) and each of
the 6 teams wrote their short answers (without explanations) on the
board at the same time.  It seemed to me that if 4 of the teams came to
the same answer then the other 2 teams felt they must be wrong. I even
tried to indicate that I thought the minority answers were better but
the teams seemed content and felt they had finished.  I am wondering if
this part of the team builiding process and it might just take some
time.  However, I still feel I could have done something differently.

Some of my students are also making comments that may be common, but
they do make me feel a little bit uneasy about the team-based learning.
A few have said things like:
I don't like that we are forced to learn this all on our own.
When are you going to lecture, I don't learn anything from the others
in my team.
I don't have any notes and I don't know what to study for the test (
even after I explained that their notes during team discussions were
their notes for the class and they will have open book tests)

Are these common or are they warning signs that I am not doing
something right???

Bill Bromer


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