While my initial thought would also be no, one question I might explore is how good is the appeal? Especially if the RAT is new, I might have overlooked something in the preparatory material, and in fact there may be a very close second answer. I don't want to discourage the students if in fact they have discovered a bad item--after all the purpose of the appeal if for them to learn--and if they have explored the question and have learned something (and can teach me in the process) then I need to be open to the possibilities.
On the other hand, most of the time when a team chooses the correct answer and ONE student wants to appeal his/her individual grade, it's just a matter of point-grubbing.
Ruth
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From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herb Coleman
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Subject: Re: Question about appeals process.
I agree with the Team only appeals. One of the skills students need to
learn is to make a convincing argument. If they can't convince the other
4-6 members of their team of the appeal, then how would they convince me?
Sibley, Jim wrote:
> My instinct would be team appeals only
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> Otherwise the bully personality might not get dampened, convinced, negotiated with
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> The teams are trying to arrive at a shared negotiated understanding of the material.....individual appeals might undermine this
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> Jim Sibley
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> Sorry for brief message -sent from my iPad
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> On 2010-09-01, at 9:55 AM, "Sweet, Michael S" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> My initial thought is that if you're giving out grades, there should be a BEST answer.
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>> Perhaps cases of varying quality can be made for others, but there should be a BEST answer. If two answers truly are equally good, then--yeah--you'd have to give everyone points who put either of those two, just as would be the case for any multiple-choice test inside or outside of the TBL framework.
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>> If you are discerning in your approving (or not) of appeals, then students will quickly learn that frivolously appealing is just a waste of time.
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>> And, of course, I don't recommend your making the granted-or-not-granted decision right there in the room at the moment. Carry the appeals out of class with you, let everyone's blood cool off a bit, and decide which to grant back in your office when you aren't faced with a room full of demanding eyes. . . .
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>> -M
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Team-Based Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jackson, John Mark
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Question about appeals process.
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>> I am trying TBL for the first time this year. I teach an optics course for entering optometry students. There are 120 students in the class.
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>> Today we took a practice RAT. When we go to the appeals process, they stumped me. I made it clear (I thought) that only teams can appeal and that a successful appeal means the team gets credit for the missed item and any individual who chose that answer would also get credit on the individual RAT.
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>> But then they asked: can the team appeal on behalf of a team member? In other words, if the team overall is happy with the answer, but one student can make an argument that a second answer is really correct as well, can the team make a case for that person and have him get credit for his answer?
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>> My initial thought is NO, because the point is to learn how to critically think about the question and reach a concensus, not get as many points back as possible. But if the team really can argue that there are two "good" answers, what's my defense here?
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>> Thanks for any thoughts, and I'll be happy to clarify if this doesn't make sense.
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>> John Mark Jackson, OD, MS, FAAO
>> Southern College of Optometry
>> (901) 722-3314
>> Skype: jacksonsco
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Austin Community College
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